Feature suggestion: customise abum, title inside groups

[simoncn]

(01-05-2013 22:40)Oliviander Wrote:  Hi Simon,
no there is no reason or need for me, i just did this as an experiment to explore how the renumbering works.
Understanding that, I can now manipulate the behaviour of MinS to my liking, by doing an alternate Disc- and Tracknumbering.
In the meantime I have 5 Instances of MinS running only for my classical collection:
(rather as a proof of concept than the intention to use all 5 for all time, but in the moment i am quite happy with it)
And I can do this with only one database, as the new features of MinS are really mighty once you understand them in full.

OK, I understand. I've added a few comments inline below.

Quote:I use now following structures:

1. Server
- Album = Original ALBUM (no aliasing)
- no groups
- discsubtitles = Original CDs (see text)
to make the Discsubtitles show up (and eschew the renumbering)
i created a DISCMULTI tag for multidisc albums (only)
in the Form of "CD 1 of 2" and aliased it to DISCSUBTITLE

You could have done the equivalent of this by using the [disc n] or (disc n) suffix on the album name for each CD. Your approach is fine, and it provides more flexibility in the formattting of the disc header/selector.

Quote:2.Server
- Album = Original ALBUM (no aliasing)
- no groups
- discsubtitles = WORK (aliasing)
here I had to create a WORKDISC Tag
counting the WORKS on an Album
and a WORKTRACK Tag counting
the Titles of a work
aliasing these to Discnumber and Tracknumber
and WORK to Subtitle shows each album
as if each Work would be a single physical disc.

I think it would not be necessary to create WORKTRACK unless the tracks of a work span multiple CDs. If all the tracks of a work are on the same CD, you should be able to use the original track numbers, although they would generally not start at 1. Your approach is fine, and it provides a more consistent display.

Quote:3. Server (as 2 but)
- Album = Original ALBUM (no aliasing)
- Group = WORK (aliasing)
- no discsubtitles

4. Server
- Album = WORK (aliasing)
- no Group
- Discsubtitle = PART (aliasing)
PART is for instance an act of an opera
Here I had to Alias the Discumber to WORKPART,
a Tag that counts the PARTs of a WORK
but still using the WORKTRACK for Tracknumber.

5. Server (as 4 but)
- Album = WORK (aliasing)
- Group = PART (aliasing)
- no Discsubtitle

The great thing thanks to your software I could do this with no additional manual tagging of my collection
only by configurating MinS and creating some additional TAGS that can be used as counters:

DISCMULTI, WORKTRACK, WORKDISC, WORKPART.
The tricky part is to create these fully automated with actions in Mp3tag.

I even use Tagformat to show up the things in different ways:

Server 1-3
Album: Album
Title: Composer: Work - Part - Title
Artist: [Album_Release_Year] ALBUM_ARTIST

Server 4-5
Album: Composer: Work
Title: Part - Title
Artist: [Recording_Year] ARTIST

All this makes sense to me.

Quote:Now I can finally go to rip the rest of my collection having the following afterthoughts:

It would be helpful if you would explain a little more on renumbering
and aliasing in the manual. After I tested all out I now fully understand
the intentions of these features and how to use them, but it did take
some effort; especially that you have to alias the original tags to NIL
if you don't want them to interfere. (I think you shouldn't change
that behaviour as it is quite logical.)

I will do this.

Quote:In the Moment there are only 2 minor issues for me,
that I really would like to see changed or get rid of
(and have not mentioned by now)

1. Groups
Groups have to consist consecutive Titles.
This is quite ok, but with my usage I have sometimes (seldom) the problem
that there is the same work twice (or even more) on the same album.
If they are consecutive then they are in 1 group, that is not right,
but as I can think of no way to prevent this (except of changing the name manually) i have no problem with that.
==>>
But if they are not consecutive this leads to an error, destroying the rouping for the whole album.
I think it should be possible that in this case, if there is at least 1 item in between the identical named groups, that
2 groups (or even more) with the same name are shown.

My concern about doing this is that it would create an inconsistency between the cases of consecutive groups and nonconsecutive groups. At present, you would use the same approach (change the name manually) for this nonconsecutive case that you would use for the consecutive case.

Perhaps a better approach would be to adopt the "match filter" concept that is already used to prevent unintended merging of albums with the same name and artist (see this section). This could be done either by including the match filter in the GROUP tag or by having a separate GROUPMATCH tag (probably better). For consistency, this would apply to both consecutive groups and nonconsecutive groups.

Quote:2. Subtitles
I have no idea how the display of subtitles
is managed. But obviously it s not the same like the other
infos, as the Tagformating doesn't work on it.
But I would really appreciate a method to
influence the display of the Discsubtitles.
==>>
At least it would be very helpful if the $Discsubtitle
would be available for Tagformating.
In the Moment the infos of my WORK or PART tag
are not available when I use them for subtitling

It should be possible to add support for Discsubtitle.displayFormat and $discsubtitle. I'll look into this.